tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2182962435875556601.post5708703323825921990..comments2023-09-24T08:04:06.909-04:00Comments on FSK's Guide to Reality: Unusual Voting Reform Proposal - Randomized VotingFSKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11903396202330950362noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2182962435875556601.post-88563509262957904342011-05-01T13:33:47.433-04:002011-05-01T13:33:47.433-04:00Doesn't matter how you say the system might wo...Doesn't matter how you say the system might work, - it will always work only in one way - rigged. With this random voting, they will simply decide who is going to "win" behind the doors, and announce the "random" winner.<br /><br />Other than this the idea is interesting, because the candidate with majority votes would have better chances to be randomly picked, therefore removing the circus of "electoral college".<br /><br />Note, that the Greeks, had a truly open trusted random picking mechanisms. We do not want to have that today. The devices the Greek employed, allowed anyone to be sure the choice was done fair and by the rules. Obviously, if we wanted to have honestly executed process, we could have simply picked their process to the last detail, since we are to regressed to invent anything that hones ourselves. But we don't, because the point is - whatever happens, there must be no transparency! Meaning in no event there should be true, transparent mechanism that might create truly "unguided" election results, that's why. Everyone except those running the circus, must explicitly trust the show, there is no way for anyone to be sure the election wasn't rigged. You're going to go and count ballots? Most ballots you will encounter will be fake. This is why they want fully computerized system, - so that there is no need to produce any physical evidence.<br /><br />But, like FSK, I believe that even if we had truly democratic and trustworthy or transparent elections, it is still a full's game. Because I will always have a despotic king, unless I am a majority. The system of voting makes sure that the minorities are abused.<br /><br />If you vote, you are explicitly giving your consent to be ruled by the current form of government, you make your government legitimate. You agree to accept the violent outcome in case if you don't win. You sign up for an animal, doggy-dog idea of "winner is always right", and you agree to make that your life-guiding principle. You effectively declare that you are NOT a human being.<br /><br />I did not vote for Obama. Citizen or not, he has no right whatsoever to affect my life. He does not have my consent, and therefore his rule over me is illegitimate. The fact that many others voted for him, makes no difference and does not grant him any legitimacy to rule my life. By ignoring this, and still attempting to rule my life, he is not any more legitimate than Hitler, deciding on a life of a Polish Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2182962435875556601.post-60991154960359674112011-04-30T18:24:15.009-04:002011-04-30T18:24:15.009-04:00Well the Greeks selected representatives at random...Well the Greeks selected representatives at random and that practice was considered an essential foundation of Democracy. Worked out pretty well for them too.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SortitionScottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2182962435875556601.post-66830312980732747242011-04-30T17:49:19.302-04:002011-04-30T17:49:19.302-04:00There are ballot access requirements. In the pres...There are ballot access requirements. In the present, if you vote for someone who hasn't formally declared themselves to be a candidate and complied with all the bureaucracy, it's counted as an invalid ballot.<br /><br />It would be an improvement, to remove ballot access requirements and having small groups support their friends.<br /><br />One extreme idea is to have the representatives chosen truly at random.FSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11903396202330950362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2182962435875556601.post-11557420831146353022011-04-30T16:55:54.805-04:002011-04-30T16:55:54.805-04:00It's a pretty cool idea. Would it help to intr...It's a pretty cool idea. Would it help to introduce a control like the selected candidate needs at least 100 other votes, to stop people voting themselves or friends or fictional characters in just for the perks?Scottnoreply@blogger.com